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Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Birdspeed
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Birdspeed
British born Barbadian raised artist, Birdspeed, is an artist known for her ability to captivate audiences by effortlessly weaving poetry, storytelling, satirical humour and movement. Her writing is equally as breathtaking and often a combination of social commentary and auto- biographical tales including themes on: Caribbean culture and folklore, afrofuturism, black feminism, mental health (especially in black working class communities).
Birdspeed is the Edinburgh Fringe Slam Champion 2019, the 2019 Hammer and Tongue UK National Slam Champion and a 2019 BBC Words First Finalist. Her artistry is also making waves internationally across US cities following performances in: New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia and Los Angeles. Birdspeed has also headlined at significant US venues such as: the Bowery Poetry Club (NYC) and The African American Centre (Philadelphia) and is currently the Manhattan Arts Festival Poet Laureate. Birdspeed performed her first play, The Firebird at the Salisbury Theatre Playhouse and has facilitated workshops in a variety of organisations including a men’s prison.
Birdspeed is published in the following anthologies: Alter Egos Anthology (Bad Betty Press, 2019), Use Words First (Own It, 2019) and Words on Windrush (Empoword, 2019). Birdspeed has also self published her first pamphlet Bloom (2019) which is endorsed by Junior Marvin from The Original Wailers.
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The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
About 3 years ago I distinctly remember my spirit feeling as though it were about to jump out of my body…
As a dancer I was always been expressing myself but it had been a long time since I created an art piece where the intention of the piece was easy to understand. I actually started writing from a young age when I was 4/ 5 years old. I was writing stories and my own fairytales/ folklore. My mother told me that it was once illegal for black people to read and write, I remember feeling so sad and thinking well now I definitely have to do that. I have always been one to make a point even as a toddler. So that was what first inspired me to write. 20+ years later I had finished a solo dance session to expel some frustrated energy but I felt dissatisfaction. The dance was not enough, so I picked up a pen and started writing furiously. I wanted to be clear about the troubles I was experiencing as a black British woman in a way that would make people listen.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
My mother and grandfather. They introduced me to the work of Kamau Braithwaite and George Lamming (of course being Barbadian). Although I was not familiar with form and I needed things repeated to me and explained constantly, I felt pride and connection. They made me happy and that was important. One of my English teachers introduced me to Thomas Hardy who is actually one of my favourite writers, even though studying male (and white male poets – mostly dead) at the time was kind of annoying I still appreciated being exposed to those who are considered to be the greats of English literature.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
My grandmother once said “A great should never make you feel intimidated, they should inspire you. You should want to approach them out of love, not run in fear.” I think she was also talking about God at this point but it is relevant nonetheless. I was aware of people I consider to be “greats” but they were never “dominating” to me. They always made me feel like I could do what they do in my own way. We are all human, we all had to learn how to read and write which means we were all terrible poets at one point in time. So knowing this I become excited about older poets because it gives me hope I can be like that too.
4. What is your daily writing routine?
My daily writing routine changes every 3 months or so according to my schedule. My editing routine is far more regimented. I read the poem, say it aloud, then read it again and edit, let the poem “simmer,” repeat, then print out the poem, delete the poem (if typed out), re type the poem word for word, then I read and smile. Everyone is different and this works for me. I’m the sort of writer who falls in love with my work over and over again and it’s a wonderful feeling.
5. What motivates you to write?
Those who came before me and those who will come after me. Sometimes it is seeing a little dust settle on the inside of an engraved bracelet, sometimes it is seeing a black woman talking about the wonders of skin bleaching. I stay motivated.
6. What is your work ethic?
Serious. I am known as “one of the hardest working poets” among my contemporaries and that is not just a statement. I am currently learning to balance my lifestyle better because I have a tendency to overwork to the point of near breakdown. It comes from my West Indian upbringing. There is a saying “working like a Jamaican” and as a half Jamaican I guess I have most definitely embodied that mentality. A strong work ethic is commendable but only to the point when it doesn’t detriment your well-being.
7. How do the writers you read when you were young influence you today?
Whether it was Jean “Binta” Breeze to Toni Morrison to Benjamin Zephaniah to cultural theorist Stuart Hall (writers that first spring to mind as I have been re reading them recently) they were able to take a small moment or cultural artifact and magnify it into a gigantic structure. These writers were/are able to make you pay attention to issues that others may have looked past had the work not have been written. I see poetry as a science sometimes, I was amazed that Toni Morrison could write about a dolly or a button and this object was suddenly the most important thing in the world. This is also why I earlier mentioned Thomas Hardy, he would do that with a blade of grass!
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
Every month I have a new favourite writer. Right now here are the ten poets who spring to mind immediately and the qualities which drew me to them bearing in mind their writing brings a plethora of other things…I hope I can be as good.
I love: the spiritualism and humbling work of Yrsa Daley – Ward; the generosity and charismatic work from Zena Edwards, the eloquence and rhythm of Kayo Chingonyi; the power and honesty of Joelle Taylor, the intellectualism and thought – provoking work of Yasmina Nuny; the refreshing and impactful work of Vanessa Kisuule; the beauty and progressive work of Amy Acre; the boldness and bravery of Amerah Saleh; the wittiness and sophistication of Gboyega Odubanjo; the enchantments and superb storytelling from Inua Ellams.
9. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
I have no idea. I made it up as I went along. I started by writing, reading, exploring my craft. I sought out others like me, I went to workshops, I asked lots of questions. And, most importantly I listened and stayed humble. Sometimes we should spend time listening and reading. As I explained earlier after I first entered poetry I left because I wanted to learn and understand it. I just listened. I heard what I liked what I didn’t and asked questions. Most importantly I am still learning. I am always a student and I think the day I stop feeling as though I can learn something is the day I have finished.
10. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
At this very moment in time I am breathing. I have a few gigs lined up for October but I do think I have earned a minute to rest. I have just finished doing a commission for the Bascule Chamber Concerts where I wrote poems on the black Tudors referencing the River Thames which was an amazing unforgettable project curated by Iain Chambers. It took a few months because it involved research and experimenting with popular Tudor poetry form, I also had a period costume made and performed 15 concerts in 5 days. Alongside that I also released Bloom: Flowers and Festivals, a pamphlet I had been working on for a while. Fun fact: although the initial idea was to write about cultural appropriation I ended up writing about my fatherland and my relationship with different types of masculinity and how this had an impact on my sense of community. I was astonished at how that happened. Poetry does that. Also, if that wasn’t enough I spent a large chunk of the summer winning a few competitions and doing a BBC commission… Time to celebrate and reflect.
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Razielle Aigen
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these fiction writers you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Razielle Aigen
is a Montreal-born writer and artist. Her chapbook, “Light Waves The Leaves” is forthcoming from above/ground press (2020). Her poems appear in Entropy, Deluge, Contemporary Verse 2, Bad Dog Review, Dovecote Magazine, Half a Grapefruit, Sewer Lid, Five:2:One, California Quarterly, and elsewhere. Razielle holds a B.A. in History and Contemporary Studies from Dalhousie/King’s University, and is an alumna of The Writer’s Studio at Simon Fraser University. More of Razielle’s work can be found at razielleaigen.com and through Twitter @ohthepoetry .
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
To be honest, it just sort of happened…I can’t recall any definitive reflexive “a-ha!” moment where I caught myself thinking, “I am a poet” or “I will now write a poem”. Really, it jus sort of happened and continues to happen in that way that feels more like a biological function than volition. That thing that you just can’t help, like a sneeze…maybe you feel a little tickle, and then, it just happens! At best you can hope for somebody to be around afterwards to read it and say, “bless you”… even if that somebody is only you.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
There was a lot of exposure to the Bible in my childhood home…Despite my adamant teenage tooth and nail rebellion against all attempts at religious indoctrination, despite that teenage self, my early encounters with tales rich in symbolic metaphors and imaginative language, not to mention the gamut of human drama and natural catastrophe of (literally) biblical proportion, has, in part, helped to shape some aspects of my poetic imagination.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
You mean, like a Bloomian “Anxiety of Influence”-type-thing? Well, I try not to fall in to patterns of domination / deferral…I definitely respect and admire older poets, but I feel equal reverence for many of my contemporaries. My attitude towards older poets is one of gratitude, I receive their words as gifts that keep on giving…their words inspire me to write, keeping the great wheel of Poetry turning…a self-generative turbine!
4. What is your daily writing routine?
I don’t really have one! As long as a little reading and writing happens, it’s been a good writing day.
5. What motivates you to write?
The small things: Simple beauty. A moment of the uncanny. Something funny. A meaningful encounter.
6. What is your work ethic?
I hope that by writing I add a little good into world.
7. How do the writers you read when you were young influence you today?
Having read the Surrealists and Beat poets gave me an appreciation for tapping into the magical, incantatory and energetic aspects of language that act as a vehicle to transcend the mundane, which is, in some sense, perhaps one possible definition of the Poetic.
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
So many incredible writers today the world over! It would be hard to single anyone out without excluding so many. I think that the democratizing factor of the internet and online publishing has made it possible to be exposed to a multitude of new voices that would have otherwise been tucked under a rock of obscurity…I’m wowed every day by a new poet I would have never discovered if it weren’t for the online networks I’m tapped into.
9. Why do you write, as opposed to doing anything else?
It’s probably just my default setting. At some point I may need an upgrade…
10. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
Write!
11. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
I’m also a visual artist…and I’m currently at work on a eco-poetic text-based installation, programmed to be showcased as part of a collaborative interdisciplinary event July 2020 in Montreal.
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Maria McManus
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Maria McManus
was born in Enniskillen and lives in Belfast. She is the author of Available Light (Arlen House, 2018), We are Bone (2013), The Cello Suites (2009) and Reading the Dog (2006) (Lagan Press). She has collaborated extensively with others to put literature into public space. She is Artistic Director and curator of Poetry Jukebox, an on-street audio installation of contemporary poetry.
Twitter: @maria_mcmanus @poetryjukebox @LabeLLit
POETRY JUKEBOX: Belfast’s Changing the Message! @poetryjukebox
CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS- Song of Myself – Closes 23rd September 2019 EMAIL: poetryjukebox@gmail.com
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/in-the-north-we-have-started-to-stop-sleeping-again-1.3442189
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/curating-an-lgbt-version-of-the-poetry-jukebox-1.3730422
The Interview
1. What were the circumstances under which you began to write poetry?
In mid-September of 2001, I went with a friend to Rathlin Island for a writers’ festival organised by the Ballycastle Writers. I’d never written anything to that point; it was an experiment and a fun thing to do and we were bluffing our way; no-one would know we didn’t write.
I’d been looking for something for a while; I’d been responding to some restlessness in me that had been hovering waiting for attention for years.
In 1996, post-ceasefire and pre the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, we’d moved our small family of two daughters, then aged four and nine, out of Belfast to a village on the Co. Down coast. We were in some optimism that peace would sustain and that we could be somewhere that the girls could grow up slowly, that my (then) husband, could leave his job in community development and set up his own business, and I would take the heft of being the anchor of the family by holding a job with a regular income to support us in the transition and beyond. We got two weeks exactly, of some hedonistic sense of freedom.
Into this scenario, the news that my father from whom I had been estranged, had become terminally ill. He was to die a year later and the aftermath of these series of events was seismic. We’d sold our house. The business deal on the new property hadn’t come to fruition but we expected it would and took a chance anyway. The marriage had been under some strain and a radical solution was called for – the stakes were high, there were children involved and I desperately wanted a family life. I gave it everything I’d got.
Grief called everything into question and put everything under compression. I was still reeling, looking for anchor points in those years between 1996 and 2001. My response was to work harder and study more: it is a delusion of conditioning that these are the responses to suffering – we are lead to expect that – marriage is hard and needs work; you need to step up and take responsibility; if you work hard, you will get there… and other such guff; life decisions shaped by introjects. The result was that I basically spent five years painting myself further into a corner, over-achieving, putting myself under increasing pressure and feeling more and more angry, dissatisfied, sad, frustrated, confused, burnt out, exhausted and trapped. I didn’t like the person I had become. I look back now and think I was slow to learn, but I also understand that ‘when we don’t know, we don’t know.’ I did what I was able for.
As I was finishing a master’s degree, I promised myself that I would do something just for me when I had completed it. I needed time and space and I needed to find a place of refuge for myself and in myself; I’d go as far as to say I needed a sense of self. And to play.
When I went on the writers’ weekend to Rathlin in 2001, it was just after 9/11. The world was newly strange, and newly uncertain. The British Navy was on military manoeuvres in the Irish Sea at the far side of the island. The world order itself had been shaken to its core. These things heightened the sense in me that life itself, my own life, was urgent. I was bolting into my life. I didn’t know that then. I thought I was just gone away out of my normal life, to bluff, to play, to be off the leash a while, to be away on an island for the weekend.
Even now I find it difficult to articulate how pernicious the overlay of growing up through the Troubles was, or how difficult it was for me to make sense of my own life, and desires and to begin to know or understand the purpose of it . It strips and suppresses a sense of self to such an extent that it is toxic – we as individuals should be grateful for every small thing ( and I am), but correspondingly that one has no right nor entitlement to ‘better’ ( and we don’t necessarily), but it also chokes aspiration, and it snuffs out possibility, along the way; it becomes part of something deep and toxic that keeps us stuck and immobilised from creating a new way of being on the world. I felt I didn’t really know what was good for me, nor what it was I needed.
The writers’ weekend impacted on me profoundly – here was something meaningful, here was a connection to my sense of self, and to others, though I had no idea really how far that would go, terms of what it meant ultimately.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
There was a ‘quickening’ in me at school, which I was mortified about and confused by. Poetry wasn’t hip, rather it was bewildering and dare I say it, perceived by me as largely pointless, and still there was a quickening. I’d count metre, wonder how a poem worked, wonder why it impacted. Poems were wild, and mysterious things, but to the adolescent me, they seemed a thin skin on my world. My world was a world of the troubles, of real poverty, of things broken beyond repair, of anxiety and fear, of life on the border, of militarisation and para-militarisation, of hunger-strikes and elections, and sectarianism and rage and death; absolute and inarguable death. I was also a girl. This was the 70’s and the 80’s. It was mad, destructive, terrifying and inescapable.
The poets we were reading at school were the usual suspects, Wilfred Owen, Wordsworth( William not Dorothy), Hardy, Tennyson, and Heaney. All of them were dead bar Heaney, and all of them were men. Nothing to see here, then…….. move along madam….’.
So, the ‘gate-way’ was school and the ‘dealers’ were Mr. Jones and Miss Reihill the English teachers , whom I regarded as largely irrelevant to my present, let alone my future. I gave up English at 15, and barely read a book for pleasure for perhaps another ten years.
My re-introduction came first with Heaney’s The Spirit Level – I actually brought my daughters on a wonderful holiday to Clare entirely on the back of reading Postscript on one of those long nights of insomnia that came in the wake of grief.
Then later, on Rathlin it was poets Joan & Kate Newmann, Heather Newcombe and Damian Gorman – I wrote my first real poems then, in 2001.
The sculptor Paddy Burns did a talk on that pivotal Rathlin weekend about art and its meaning. He said, “ I believe that art can save the world.’ That sentence changed my life. It impacted on me physically – as if I had been hit hard right in the solar plexus. Something shuddered right through me at that moment. It was bizarre and bewildering, but unmistakeable.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
Not at all really. It was all mysterious and I was very detached – there was a fracture in my awareness and besides back then poetry wasn’t my world so, paradoxically my ignorance probably served me well. It has taken time to realise that what I am is a poet and to embody that. Back at the start of writing, I could jump in, naive and with no expectations of myself, no illusions of skill or lack of – I was just experimenting. I was just writing. I couldn’t get it wrong, because I had no expectation that I could get it right – so I was just doing it. I think I have only really claimed the title ‘poet’ in recent years – after I’d published four books, and after I’d stripped away all other wriggle-room about doubting or being tentative about that – I am the poet I am ,and will do what I can to be the best writer I can be now, and I will work with others to support them to see that, and be that, in themselves.
I am more conscious of the dominance of certain poets in the canon, and for example the corresponding exclusion of other voices especially those of women. I am involved with Fired! (Twitter @FiredIrishPoets & https://awomanpoetspledge.com/) because of this. Women have been marginalised within the canon of Irish literature for centuries. It exists as a fact. I don’t really have the energy for big fights about it, so I focus on a handful of things that we can do, in the here and now, to raise my own and others awareness of the work of those women and for us to be aware of each other’s work now. For example, we have devised a model for events – a poet reprises the work of an historically important but forgotten woman poet, and also reads something of their own contemporary work alongside it. In this way, we hear the old work and the new work. It functions as a type of hedge-school; a pedagogical approach to our own self-education. That model can be applied in any location and by different groups of poets. It has resulted in readings in Belfast, Dublin, Barcelona, Kerry, Cork and so on. It also made us much more aware of each other. I have made many new and important connections with other women poets through Fired!. It is important that we find ways to do things and not just get snared in a cycle of complaining – that doesn’t serve us well and dissipates the available energy. We also raise questions with festival programmers about gender equity – so the work of women also gets programmed, heard, published and supported.
4. What is your daily writing routine?
I try to do morning pages and to get a walk every day. I am a morning person, so I try to protect the early part of the day for being alone to do research, to read and write. When possible, I push admin and meetings into the later part of the day, 2.30pm or afterwards. I also have come to learn that sometimes I need to take time off, and so I do. I give in to that too and just stop and don’t even try to write. There are just times I need to replenish myself and to rest. I need to remind myself that that too, is in service of the work. Walking is in service of the work. Reading is in service of the work. Engaging with the world, the environment, doing the garden, listening to music, spending time with loved ones, is all in service of the work. Not always, but often, there is a comfort in cooking, in chopping vegetables and ingredients, in making soup, cleaning the house, that is also in service of the work. I have begun to swim again and this is great for a sense of well-being, but somehow it also seems to help organise material. Nothing is absolute, but when I am working on bigger projects, I just keep life as simple and as routine as possible.
5. What motivates you to write?
I simply can’t not. I don’t find writing easy – in fact the more writing I do, the harder it gets, but I just press on. I have developed more capacity to let things emerge, and percolate and form. I pay a lot of attention to process and just have to trust that eventually the ‘thing’, the work itself, whatever it is that is coming forward for attention, will come in its own time. This needs patience, it needs persistence, it needs presence. I read a lot and follow my curiosity and interests.
6. What is your work ethic?
At some level, I am never off – something always seems to be niggling away in the brain and needing attention. I freelance entirely – which is precarious and far too anxiety provoking. There’s a need to be sensate all the time for opportunities which emerge for projects, and there is also a corresponding need to develop a robust filter so as not to be overwhelmed and feeling so anxious that every grant, residency, or project has to be applied for …… it can be difficult to tune to the right things and to know where and when to lean in to something – what merits energy and what should be left to just pass on by. It is exceptionally difficult for me to say no to projects and requests, and I suffer in doing it, but realistically I can’t do it all.
I coordinate a project called Poetry Jukebox – it is an on-street audio installation to put poetry into public space. This takes a lot of my time and focus, but it is a good purpose for me to connect with other poets and also to innovate to connect ordinary people to poetry- to connect the unexpectant to the unexpected in ways that make life meaningful, bearable, beautiful, real and fully lived. There is learning for me here about my own journey – poetry is one of the most meaningful things in my own life. It came so, like a bolt from the blue and it changed everything when it did. It has been my lifeline – a transformational thing. It is meaning, and it is the means of connection, to others and also to my authentic self. I believe in the power of poetry to speak to the self, and to be the voice of the self. My own journey of awareness is not accidental and is not only relevant to myself – poetry is a gift waiting for others too – for people too busy, too caught up with the strife of the world to be fully paying attention to what matters for themselves, their precious life, the people who matter to them, to be engaged and connected to the context and the environment within which we live.
Connection to one’s own life, to meaning, to context, to the earth is urgent. If we are connected, love comes, awareness comes, choice comes. My art form is poetry, but I think this is the urgent work of all art forms, and I believe that art can save the world.
7. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
At the moment I am curating a new edition of Poetry Jukebox, called Song of Myself ( after Walt Whitman) with d/deaf and disabled poets. The next edition will be on climate change and work on that is ongoing in the background – I am coordinating a project with Centre Culturel Irlandais to bring Poetry Jukebox to Paris in 2020.
I have a residency at the wonderful Armagh Public Library and I am collaborating on a project called Splendid Liberal Lofty with composer Simon Waters and artist Helen Sharp – my part in this is a public engagement project reviving the art of letter-writing to fill a void in the library when Archbishop Richard Robinson had all his correspondence burned after his death. We live in such tumultuous times as these that I want many people to write letters for the archive about the times we live in now – the climate crisis, Brexit and the border in Ireland, love letters, and everything from the confessional to the obsessional and back.
I have two commissions for a poem about the Armagh Observatory as part of a song-writing and poetry project which singer-songwriter Brigid O’Neill devised with the Ulster Architectural Heritage Society for their annual Heritage Angel Awards. The other commission is a poem about Priscilla Gotto, a Belfast woman who died in a military air-crash in WW2 – she will be commemorated this November. Finally, composer Keith Acheson and I will reprise Wretches, the libretto we wrote about the Belfast suffragettes and we will tour it to some venues in 2020. I’m busy!
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Angela Costi
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Angela Costi
is also known as Ayyeliki Kosti among the Cypriot-Greek diaspora. She was born in Sydney, Australia, from Cypriot-Greek parents who left because of poverty and civil unrest. Her poetic lens is drawn to urban existence, highlighting those moments of connection among routine and struggle. She has four poetry collections: Dinted Halos (Hit&Miss Publications, 2003), Prayers for the Wicked (Floodtide Audio and Text, 2005), Honey and Salt (Five Islands Press, 2007) and Lost in Mid-Verse (Owl Publishing, 2014):
http://apj.australianpoetry.org/latest-writing/dmetri-kakmi-review-owl-publishing/
http://www.owlpublishing.com.au/chapbook-series.html
Her poetry, essays and reviews have been widely published in Australia and overseas. In 2009-10, with funding from the Australia Council for the Arts, she travelled to Japan to work on an international collaboration involving her poetry and the Stringraphy Ensemble. Her essay about this collaboration, and poetic narrative, A Nest of Cinnamon, are published in Cordite, 2009 and 2013:
At Angela Costi Poetics (https://www.facebook.com/AngelaCostiPoetics/) she shares her current reflections on the process of reading, writing, editing and publishing poems.
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
I remember sitting in a lounge-chair in the back yard. It was a sunny day. A shy breeze. On my lap was my note book. In my left hand was my pen. I began to write what I knew was a poem. It was triggered by my relationship with my Yiayia (my Cypriot Grandmother). It was endeavouring to document the oral world that I inhabited with my Yiayia and giving it that study of thought and language, which makes it a poem.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
Paradoxically, my uneducated mother introduced me to poetry, specifically to children’s poems in the Greek language. My mother was one child of too many, brought up in a poor Cypriot household, in a time when education was a luxury. She insisted that I go to Greek language school at a very young age. There, I was taught by the Cypriot-Greek Orthodox Priest, the language of poetry found in scripture and children’s poetry books. I recall my mother’s proud tears when I recited perfectly one of her favourite poems at the annual graduation.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
Studying Shakespeare throughout secondary school and later, in my early 20s, studying poetry for a year, brought to the fore how the discipline, practice and delivery of poetry is shaped by ‘older poets’. At one point during the poetry study, I couldn’t find where my poetic voice belonged in the overwhelming significance given to poetry by English poets of the 19th century. Still I continued to search for connection and resonance with established poets, and in particular, I wanted to learn about Australian poets, because that’s where I was based throughout my secondary and tertiary years. Fortunately I found the collections of Judith Wright, Oodgeroo Noonuccal (Kath Walker), Judith Rodriguez and Antigone Kefala.
4. What is your daily writing routine?
Given that I have two teenage boys and two ailing parents, I need to work full-time, which means I get up one hour earlier in the morning to write, then write for as much as I can at night, and then spend as much time as I can on the weekend. On my commute to and from work by tram, I carry my trusty companion, a note book. If there’s a seat, I get out my note book and write.
5. What motivates you to write?
Like the compulsion to eat or drink, it’s this daily need to work with words. My Yiayia worked with linen and cotton to make extraordinary embroidery, stitch by stitch… Perhaps I have inherited this tendency but my sequencing and patterns are with letters and words. She has bequeathed her need to make something creative and lasting.
6. What is your work ethic?
Both my Cypriot parents instilled in me the importance of a strong work ethic however, over recent years, I have incorporated balance and spirit into my writing practice. In 2009, I was in Japan as part of a writing project with the Japan-based Stringraphy Ensemble http://cordite.org.au/essays/reinventing-the-ancient/
Creating poetry and performing in Japan with an inspiring group of Japanese women, I saw the importance of ikigai as an approach to purpose in life. We often say, it’s the small steps that count, and adapting ikigai to my poetry practice has enabled a wiser, reflective and sustainable approach to a practice that is dependent on external acknowledgement. I’m certainly not a master practitioner, rather a novice. I endeavour to incorporate the five pillars of ikigai as best I can: pillar 1 – starting small, pillar 2 – releasing yourself, pillar 3 – harmony and sustainability, pillar 4 – the joy of little things, and pillar 5 – being in the here and now.
7. How did the writers you read when you were young influence you?
There are so many writers I could list, but there was, in my teenage years, an obsession with a play written by Robert Bolt, A Man for all Seasons. The main character was Sir Thomas More and to this very day I keep close to my heart the declaration made by Sir Thomas More when he was given the choice to live and betray his conscience or to die and be true to his soul, and he chose the latter because as he stated in the play: ‘In matters of conscience, the loyal subject is more bounden to be loyal to his conscience than to any other thing.’ That quote was underlined in my diary and held me in good stead as I found myself having to make serious choices as I progressed to adulthood, such as the choice of an arranged marriage or finding love in my own time, in my own way. The quote continues to inform my writing practice in the choice of content, for example, how I approach writing about my heritage. This poem may come from a personal perspective, but it needs to extend itself to reach the humanity in us all.
Another writer who had a pronounced influence on me as I was transitioning to adulthood is Nikos Kazantzakis, with his novel, Zorba the Greek. On a personal level, this was a challenging time for me with trying to establish independence from my traditional disciplinarian father. At the time, it felt to me that Kazantzakis had modelled the character of Zorba on my father. The novel helped me to see another perspective to Greek (Cypriot) male identity. The book also introduced me to a character, the elusive, strong-willed and objectified ‘widow’. This character sunk into my psyche so much so that I produced a poem about her titled, Zorba’s Widow.
8. Why do you write, as opposed to doing anything else?
I’m not kinaesthetic by nature. Unlike my Yiayia and mother who use their hands to make the most nourishing creations. I’m in awe of artists who create visual miracles whether it be paintings, sculptures, mixed-media, film… With pen and paper I endeavour to create word pictures.
Another way of dissecting this questions is: Has writing chosen me or have I chosen it? I think both. There is my compulsion to write rather than bake, for instance, and there is also my attention to continuing the practice despite the obstacles and difficulties of daily existence.
9. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
I don’t think it’s about ‘wanting’ to become a writer rather it’s about the actual practice itself. The sitting down and doing the grunt work, which entails researching, making notes, drafting, re-drafting, re-drafting, re-drafting… proofing and editing, and all the administrative work associated with being a writer. I also don’t think it’s about the outcome, that is, the publications, the awards, the recognition… although they are wonderful to receive, but it’s the process of writing that turns you into a writer.
10. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
I have a book length (as distinct from chapbook) collection of poetry that I have just completed writing. It is titled, An Embroidery of Old Maps and New and is divided into parts by the use of four epigrams, which enable a focus on four areas: family, identity, womanhood and dialogue. I’m travelling through layers of cultural meaning that have been coined multicultural, cross-cultural, intercultural and intersectional existence. Three of the poems found in the book have recently been published by an Irish-based magazine, Blue Nib, issue 39, 2019:
https://thebluenib.com/article/angela-costi-3-poems/
I have also started another series of poems written in the third person and informed by those years between 16 to 25, with a particular focus on the transition from secondary school to university life. I’m exploring the excruciating experience of studying for exams, losing friends, trying to make friends, floundering in law school, the girl becoming woman… I particularly enjoy creating tightly thematic poetry collections.
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Peter Riley
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Peter Riley
was born in Stockport in 1940 and recently moved to West Yorkshire after living for 28 years in Cambridge. In 1966 he was an editor of The English Intelligencer, the worksheet which first proposed a neo-Modernist position in British poetry. Since then he has authored a heap of books and pamphlets, which have now been gathered into a two-volume Collected Poems published by Shearsman (2018). His long poem Due North was shortlisted for the Forward best collection prize in 2016. Dawn Songs, three essays on music, was published by Shearsman in 2017. In May 2019 Longbarrow Press publishing Truth, Justice, and the Companionship of Owls.
Website: http://www.aprileye.co.uk/
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
It “happened”. There must have been some impulsion, perhaps the lure of music which I translated into lyrical poetry, and also tales, landscapes, figures, focused on poetry as I grew up. Later it was an ambition for success in a field which was not strictly demarcated, where an individual from nowhere had a chance. I think I always knew there wasn’t going to be anything in it in the way of wealth or prosperity. I think I dreamed briefly of being Wallace Stevens and an insurance executive, until I found that neither of them was easy.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
At school (which was a boys only grammar school) there was a bunch of friends who cultivated modern poetry and music, haunting second-hand bookshops, sharing finds. This linked with, but was distinct from, teaching at school which reached the early 20th Century as preparation for university. And when I had to wait a year before going to Cambridge I mixed with a group of older poets who met together and talked about poetry (this was in Manchester) but I still hardly ventured to write a poem myself. I knew I probably would one day, but meanwhile I just listened. So the answer is that I was introduced to poetry by a crowd, all talking differently and disagreeing in many respects, but all focused on poetry. Some of the crowd were long dead, such as Keats.
3. What finds did you share at school?
This was the late 1950s, and since we relied on second-hand bookshops (of which there were many and usually with big poetry sections) rather than following the pundits, a lot of what we bought was British poetry of the 1940s, because that was the generation of books now reaching the second-hand market. My method was to take a book from the shelf, read two or three poems, and if I liked them, buy it. This resulted in a heterogeneous collection with a lot of poets in it writing in an unfamiliar manner, some of them difficult to understand. I became interested in this strangeness which later, at college, turned out to be little known and often strongly disapproved of by the teachers and critics. The names I particularly remember are: Nicholas Moore, W.S. Graham, Ruthven Todd, Lawrence Durrell, Vernon Watkins, Alun Lewis, H.D., Rayner Heppenstall, Kathleen Raine… Not all of these stayed with me, but I think features of that period, its particular balance of daring and carefulness, have been important to me in the long run. I also occasionally ordered new books by poets I was told were major figures – Eliot, Auden, Pound, Lawrence, Dylan Thomas, Stevens, Yeats…
4. Which older poets caught your ear in Manchester?
There was a group that met regularly at a city-centre pub to read poems and talk and drink beer, and seemed to be at the centre of the city’s poetry. They called themselves “The Peterloo Goup” though they did not have a lot in common. We don’t seem to hear much of them now, but they were enthusiastic and serious about poetry, and several of them were published by top publishers such as OUP. At least two of them were also painters in an abstract-landscape style. Some wrote very much as “proletarian” plain-speaking poets, others cultivated a sophisticated metaphorical discourse, but both were passionate about what they did. This is what I mainly took on from then, I think. It was through them that I first learned about W.S. Graham. They were very interested in him at a time when he was very little known. I just listened, and anything I dared to write I kept to myself. They included Tony Connor, Robin Skelton, Michael Snow, H.J.Massingham, John Knight, Glyn Hughes…
5. How aware are and were you of the dominating presence of older poets traditional and contemporary?
I wouldn’t say “dominating” but I think even that long ago (we’re talking 1960s now) it was getting like a rather frenetic market with people shouting their wares at you. There was no real guidance for the young poet then (there is possibly too much now). While I was a student in Cambridge I remained isolated and viewed all the noise around me with uncertainty, and still hardly dared write a poem. I think one appeared in a student magazine. But when I found myself in London the situation became more pressing. I was more alone than ever, finding my away around a great city, and I think a voice emerged from this. I felt increasingly that in poetry and otherwise the normal channels of creative career-making were sterile and I turned elsewhere. I was led as if magnetically to Donald Allen’s anthology The New American Poetry of 1960 (from Better Books, Charing Cross Road, of blessed memory) and devoured all of it, but especially Robert Duncan, Frank O’Hara, Allen Ginsberg, Charles Olson and (later) Jack Spicer. Nobody dominated, they were all too distant, it was more like being offered possible channels, but there was some kind of lift-off. What remains of it formed the first section of my Collected Poems (2018) – not a lot, and a mix of different approaches. Still no one saw it, none was published, nobody dominated. All that arrived like a storm in 1965 when the question became how to survive as one of a group of poets all fighting out versions of a new future for poetry.
5.1 Why “especially Robert Duncan, Frank O’Hara, Allen Ginsberg, Charles Olson and (later) Jack Spicer”?
They seemed particularly distinctive, I guess. And old enough to qualify as a father generation. By 1970 three of them were dead. But mainly they clearly represented new ways of writing poetry within a big range. I think there was a short and quite blissful period for me when those four were all I needed, before I got caught up in a doctrinaire group total-Americanisation doctrine. In the long run I could only tolerate particular poems by Olson Ginsberg and Duncan rather than the complete works, which got increasingly messianic and poetry itself became a side issue. The other two actually were poets first and foremost, in different ways.
It’s difficult to explain, or perhaps to understand, what I realize has been a prevalent pattern in my work as a poet, that I plunge into a whole series of allegiances and beliefs which I subscribe to wholeheartedly, but when it comes to writing poems I take a step back, or several, to regain something less ambitious or more ordinary. Around 1965-1969 when I was enjoying discovering these Americans my own writing was by comparison plain-speaking and I think only my disregard for ancestral forms and metrics owed much to them, or the English poets I got to know at that time.
So I won’t go on about how the British poetry scene mid-sixties offered only a stale bourgeois mannerist sterility. I probably thought that, but if so I was wrong, as to some extent my writing hand recognised. I may have thought such things mainly because the American stuff was bright and new and allowed entry into poetry of wider and unendorsed knowledge, or because what was really happening in UK didn’t show itself. And in fact the UK poetry scene mid-sixties also offered its own sorts of abandonment and zonked-out warbling most of which I found naive.
And as far as I’m concerned that is pretty-well the whole story. I became strongly associated with the “Cambridge school”, of which the most impressive and persuasive figure was J.H.Prynne. I eagerly entered into all the discussions and read the recommended poets and critics, and tried to behave properly, but my writing was never 100% committed, and I think only a certain informality and syntactical dramatic freedom connected –things which are now commonplace. But the “Cambridge school” was like that anyway – it was full of disagreements and contradictions and people would write now one way now another. A “school” was the last thing it was.
This association continued through my career, with periodical episodes of alienation or disregard, becoming less specific. Through it I met talented and original poets, whose discussion and correspondence was of great value, especially for testing ventures on them, especially Douglas Oliver, John James, and later, R.F.Langley. And so I went ploughing on, shifting this way and that, occasionally plunging into the group manner and then extracting myself from it and constantly seeking ways of extending the poetic script into bigger comprehensive structures and a theatre of the varieties of perception. For example the long text “Excavations” was deeply involved in disjunctive writing, more so than anything else I have done, but immediately before and after it there are substantial works emphasising connectivity and coherence of both voice and location. It was an undoubted advantage that in those days these choices were not governed by ideological principles. By the late 1970s I was living in an isolated farmhouse in the Peak District, after three years in Denmark, and the writing was involved a lot with the place, but this was mainly a means of attaching it to a linear perspective.
But I was never happy when the specific interests of the Cambridge group, as they were kept alive and developed over the years, started being understood as part of a big division, an enormous split in British poetry between “innovative” and “mainstream” with increasing bitterness and contempt on both sides. It was already getting like that in the 1970s, but it wasn’t originally so antagonistic.
I think what has always been at the heart of it, has been seeking the ways truth can be held or produced in language, finding that singularity of utterance is not enough. What is called “lyric” is the most valuable tool for these purposes, because it can enfold a multi-vocal texture, truth approached on different sides at once. The academics don’t seem to understand the word at all.
This, nor the work of most of the poets I have ever known, never fitted well with the expectations of the British poetry scene at large, especially the celebrities and the aficionados departments. Once you’re categorised as one of the other kind, it stays with you for ever, like an identity, whatever you do, and you get a very small slice of the cake. But increasingly what I did didn’t fit well either with the expectations of the critics and historians of “innovative” poetry and I have been studiously omitted from the surveys and praise-sheets of it, as I should be. This leaves me suspended in the middle of a sphere which is disturbing for those who enjoy their poetry by categorisation, which is most of them. That’s all right, it was bound to happen.
6. What is your daily writing routine?
I don’t think I ever really had one. Generally, the day draws towards its close and with luck there is a calm space which can be filled with receptive or creative activity, as suits you at the time. Occasionally I would notice it was dawn. I’ve also had periods when I only worked casually or part-time, and it was probably then that I got involved in the large-scale works or projects: “Excavations”, “Alstonefield’, ”Due North” etc.
7. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
I think I’m about the last person to put this question to. All I know about is poetry, where the conditions are constantly changing or what applies in one part of the scene doesn’t in another both geographically and intrinsically. There’s a mass of advice out there in books and magazines on how to get ahead in poetry, which inevitably carries implicit assumptions as to what kind of poetry to should write. I never did any of it. I didn’t seek to win prizes by studying the way the judges wrote. I rarely submitted, I mainly just waited to be asked. I didn’t make sure the poems I did send out were exactly the length demanded neatly typed and placed in exactly the right kind of envelope with the correct return postage, and I would never have written on a given subject for publication or competition. I didn’t have subjects, I had poems. Most of the advice I have seen has stressed moderation above all else, not to do anything in excess. I’ve seen lists of all the effects (rather than affects) you can use in writing poems but always saying never overdo it. They don’t actually say “never get passionate” but this is what it boils down to. I think that in the creative writing classes it may not be like this, or not necessarily.
Anyway, the question of how you make your name in poetry is becoming redundant, because if you’re one of the lucky ones you don’t have to: your name will be made for you. You can be adopted by poetry youth schemes set up by publishers, and be published, publicised, entered for major prizes, sent on reading tours, awarded residences, and in fact become very well known as a poet before you have anything like a body of work behind you. It’s all founded on instant youth brilliance. And that can work: some of these elected new poets are very good and by no means over-determined by the process, but to believe that this structure is a reliable guide to the best new poetry would show a naïve trust, I think, in the wisdom of the established poetry pundits, a race I have always disliked, whether they belong in the erstwhile experimental or conventional zones.
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
I do a lot of reviewing these days for the Fortnightly Review website, so a lot of new poetry passes before my eyes and I make discoveries every week. I think in many ways the field is wide open and I don’t like to select a few names, which would mean failing to mention others who may not be so active at present or have slipped my mind. Of my own generation and its sequel, I think I admire the poets who have resisted the temptation to fall into the categories we have incessantly been pushed towards, especially of course the Great Divide. Similarly, I suppose, thinking of young poets, those who manage to survive the demands of the “poetry scene”.
So, no names. But I could mention that I’m interested in poetry as “poetical”, meaning that it is a distinct language use, and also involves a sense of scale. This seems to be disliked at present among both young and old, probably thought of as elitist, which it isn’t. I am sick of new poems by all sorts of people which are written exactly as if they are telling you something in a bar somewhere or giving a lecture, plain addressed prose, and the only discernible poetical feature is the line endings, which make no difference. I’ve nothing against plain-speaking poetry nor poetry as therapy, but I feel a need for a richer texture or a stronger brew.
9. How has the move from Cambridge to West Yorkshire affected your poetry about place?
Cambridge was becoming something of a poetical hostile environment. Because of the heavy involvement of the University it became dominated by a militant fervour centred on political identity which dismissed everything else as reactionary. The move was like re-entering a world which valued difference and authenticity. I felt on arrival that my poetry was loaded with a poeticism or even Modernism which would make me like something from outer space, but quite to my surprise it seemed to present no problems, indeed was met with enthusiasm, and a local small press, Calder Valley Poetry, published two pamphlets by me. I find it invigorating to stand alongside creators of northern ballads and comic monologues, straight leftist poetry and reflections on immediate problems of life and emotion, in rhyming couplets or not.
The other thing is that there was a landscape on my doorstep the terms of which seemed immediately available as a vertical structure – river-valley, woods, pasture, and on the top the vast open barren moors. A rich collection of old reverberant place names and the remains of a major industry now fallen into ruin. A lot of other things too, the more mixed population, the grip of ancestry (my father was born in Halifax), the visible power of the pseudo-aristocratic landowners… I don’t know how, but writing the informal lyric, which is what I do, has here become more open to particularities, such as names of all kinds, place-names, persons, from the most local or private to the largest concepts, without creating problems. How they operate as an ensemble.
10. Tell me about writing projects you are involved in at the moment.
In poetry, nothing much doing. I suppose I have a sense that with a two-volume Collected Poems published in 2018, followed by a new book recently, some kind of summation has been reached, and perhaps the world doesn’t really need much more than the 1300 pages I’ve already delivered! What I would like to do is to re-write the history of English poetry during the last century, because I think a terrible mess has been made of it, the overview so cluttered up with all sorts of prejudices both for and against, and so much tribalism, that I don’t see how anyone can get an idea of what really went on. The great majority of what was written is not read or even heard of and we are so secure with our ”major figures”, the academic insistence on a fewness, that we ignore everything else. The 1940s has particularly suffered from massive elimination but it goes right through the century. It’s important because the foundation of what we do now lies in these zones, and I don’t think you can get any sense of the possibilities opened up, especially in the parental generation, without recognising the multiplicity of what went on. And I think there are great discoveries to be made in the darkness that lies behind the accepted history. I’m not writing a new one but I try to tackle these questions one poet at a time in my reviewing.
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Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Chris Banks
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Chris Banks
Raised in the Ontario communities of Bancroft, Sioux Lookout and Stayner, Chris Banks took his BA at the University of Guelph, a Master’s in Creative Writing at Concordia and an education degree at Western. His first book, Bonfires, received the 2004 Jack Chalmers Award for Poetry and was also shortlisted for the Gerald Lampert Award. His most recent book MidLife Action Figure will be published in the Fall of 2019 by ECW Press. Banks lives in Waterloo. Contact him at: royal.banksy@gmail.com or go to his website http://www.chrisbankspoetry.com
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
I was always looking for a creative outlet as a kid. I thought in images, and not in numbers, which is why I was always drawn to stories and poems. I was fifteen or sixteen when I started writing poems of my own. It was as if someone tapped me on the shoulder and said, “This is what you are supposed to do, kid”. My math teacher thought I was useless, but I ended up winning the English award at my high school.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
I had an English teacher Mrs. Tetzner who was instrumental in bringing me to poetry. She was encouraging and kind and thoughtful and never condescending. I wrote a lot of poetry in my last two years of high school before moving on to university.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
I wasn’t actually until I went to the University of Guelph. Older poets seem to speak a different language that I wasn’t capable of speaking yet. Young poets need to learn what they can do with their language before they are going to start writing well and I needed to try to write, but there were still outlets for my early writing. I placed poems in student newspapers and journals. Older poets were so calm and self-assured and wise. Now that I’m older, I just realize so much of that writing is just hard work and stubbornness and experience.
4. What is your daily writing routine?
I try to write usually in the morning. A poem, or an image, or a title either comes to me, and I tinker with it, or not. The main thing is to make time for your writing. I don’t believe in inspiration so much as working really hard. My developmental leaps as a writer have always come because of working hard.
5. What motivates you to write?
That has changed over the years. When I was young, it was the thought some day I might have my own book. Nowadays, after many books, I like to surprise myself. I don’t always succeed, but if I’m doing something new with language, I am quite happy.
6. What is your work ethic?
I am stubborn so I try to write a new MS every two to three years. I want to be known as someone who spends a lot of his time writing. I am most happy when I am prolific. I don’t care if I write a bad poem. I throw it away and immediately start working on another poem. Eventually, the good ones outnumber the bad ones.
7. How do the writers you read when you were young influence you today?
Gwendolyn MacEwen taught me so much about lyricism and voice. She was unique. I learned to write narrative poems by reading the poems of Al Purdy or Philip Levine. I also loved Mark Strand and Larry Levis too!
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
I really like Bob Hicok and Dean Young for their quick-wit, surreal associations, and how you never really know where one of their poems is going until you reach the conclusion.
9. Why do you write, as opposed to doing anything else?
It is a vocation. It chose me. Writing poems is by far the thing which makes me most happy so I try to do it every day.
10. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
My first thought is to say write, help build a community, learn to take criticism, learn the value of failure but don’t let it stop you from writing. These are the things which made me a better writer. .
11. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
Well, I just launched my new book Midlife Action Figure with ECW PRess this month and so far the reviews are great! I also just finished a new MS entitled Deep Fake Serenade which I hope to see in book format in a couple of years.
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Jamie Hale
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Jamie Hale
is a UK based poet, artist, writer, and activist, who has written for publications including the Guardian, Poetry Quarterly, and Unite Magazine. They were one of the awardees of the London Writers’ Awards for Poetry 2018, and have performed their work at venues including the Tate Modern and the Barbican Centre. They are also currently studying at UCL.
Jamie is currently working on curating a showcase of disabled artists titled CRIPtic, and completing their solo show NOT DYING. They developed this in a residency in the Pit Theatre at the Barbican in 2019, and are preparing to tour it in 2019. They are also writing a collection of nature poetry exploring the body, impairment, and disability through writing about the natural landscape.
Much of their work explores the day to day experiences of disability, disablism, and being queer and trans in the world, but they also take inspiration from anything from the Bible and Greek mythology to music and daily life. Whether they are writing opinion pieces on assisted suicide, or sonnets about canals, their work draws on a deep value for human existence.
Website: http://jamiehale.co.uk/
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
I’ve always written, and at some point I became aware that what I was writing was poetry – and then I kept doing it. I also write prose and essay but my style is heavily influenced by poetry, however I’m writing.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
I can’t be sure – certainly Sue Hampton (https://www.suehamptonauthor.co.uk/) my primary school teacher was a powerful influence, but I’d enjoyed childrens’ books in rhyme long before that.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
The older I got, the more aware of them I become. As I find an increasing amount of writing I adore, I realise the scope and presence of these older poets – both alive and dead.
4. What is your daily writing routine?
I generally try and start the day by writing. Recently I’ve fallen into the habit of doing writing-related work and considering it writing, which is a mistake. I’m trying to return to a more disciplined practice, but it’s difficult at the moment.
5. What motivates you to write?
The words inside me want to come out, so I write. It’s a sense that I have no choice but to write them, that they’ll keep rattling round my head until I find them space on the page.
6. What is your work ethic?
I’m pretty focused. I’ve got several creative projects ongoing at the moment, so I have to force myself to get on with them. Luckily I really enjoy the work I’m doing, which helps. It can be hard to put my phone down and make a start, but when I do, the hours rush by
7. How do the writers you read when you were young influence you today?
I find it hard to know – I can see the traces that more recent reading leaves, but stuff from longer ago – I’m really not sure. I love the lush writing of some of the Victorian poets, and I think it leaves traces of excess in my work. Similarly, poets like Cardenal, Neruda, Belli – their engagement with nature and the earth-as-body has really influenced the way I write about myself, my body, and nature, while AIDS poets such as Paul Monette have impacted on the brutality of some of my work, the refusal to compromise or give the reader something polished and beautiful.
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
Recently I’ve really enjoyed reading Ilya Kaminsky’s Deaf Republic, Jay Bernard’s Surge, Mona Arshi’s Dear Big Gods, but I’ve tended to interact with poems rather than poets, so it’s hard to say!
9. Why do you write, as opposed to doing anything else?
Because it is by writing that I prove to myself that I exist in the world, writing allows me to process and make sense of experiences I would otherwise really struggle to understand. It lets me leave a mark on the world, and contribute in some small way to changing it.
10. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
I would say ‘you write’ – and that writing makes you a writer. If you want to be a published writer specifically, then reading writing, finding work ‘like yours’ and then trying to be published in the same magazines is a sensible step, as is collecting some work together (whether chapbook, pamphlet, zine or collection) and trying to find a publisher. If you want to perform at all, then bringing your work to open mic nights is often a good idea.
11. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
I’m finalising my solo show, which is on at the Barbican Centre in London on 11th and 12th October, and I’m trying to get my first poetry collection knocked into shape! I’d love people to come to my show, tickets can be bought from https://barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2019/event/jamie-hale-criptic-pit-party
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Joanne Zarrillo Cherefko
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Joanne Zarrillo Cherefko
A New Jersey native now living in Virginia, she honed her skill as a poet in college and created her most complex poetry following the death of her mother. Her earlier poems are lyrical and expressionistic, while her more recent poetry is narrative in style.She is currently a visiting poet and poetry teacher at three high schools in her area. She loves music, photography, poetry, her Cavaliers, and the love of her life, her husband Bud.
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
Writing a poem or burying myself in a novel were methods of coping with the anxiety my parents’ dysfunctional marriage and arguing caused me. I would escape the tension in the house by going outside to play or by going up to my room to externalize my emotions through writing. With the exception of one short story I wrote at the age of 12, all of my creative written expression has taken the form of poetry.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
My mother had a literature anthology in the house, and I read a few of the poems in the collection. The only poem that remained in my memory long after I read it in that particular book was “Razors Pain You” by Dorothy Parker. I am not sure if my preoccupation with death had its roots in that poem, in my sadness and anxiety about the emotional instability in our home, or in my mother’s sudden death when I was 24, but my poems tend to reflect the darker side of self-exploration and life’s journey.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
I did not become aware of the dominating presence of older poets until a high school classmate of mine quoted Ezra Pound’s “In a Station at the Metro” in our literary magazine. He had used the Imagist poem to illustrate a pen and ink drawing of his. I don’t remember what his drawing looked like, but I was immediately fascinated by the poem, though I would not understand the meaning of “first intensity” until decades later when I incorporated the poem into my American Poetry seminar.
My full immersion in the works of older poets occurred when I majored in English Education in college. I fell in love with the poetry of T.S. Eliot, the British Romanticists and the French Symbolists, and I studied other dominating poets of the Modernist movement, such as Stevens and Yeats. I studied Ferlinghetti and Ginsberg, but I was not fond of the style of the beat poets. I cannot recall when I began to read the works of Sylvia Plath, but I was drawn to her from the start. In my American Poetry seminar, I love comparing Plath’s “Rabbit Catcher” to her husband’s poem of the same name. My favorite poem to teach, however, is Wallace Stevens’ “The Snowman,” the discussion of which caused some students to experience an existential crisis. When a poem is capable of engendering such a powerful philosophical and metaphysical reaction among high school seniors, it is a poem that must be taught!
4. What is your daily writing routine?
I do not write poems on a daily basis, but I do edit poems and my second manuscript on a regular basis. When I force the writing process on myself, I am not satisfied with the result.
5. What motivates you to write?
Loss, pain, sorrow, death, reflection of past and present experiences, and the mysteries of the mind and soul motivate me to write, but last winter, I was provided with a great motivator. After reading my more lyrical poetry, GenZ requested that I provide them with some narrative poems, so after a lengthy creative drought, I began writing again. Since that time, I have written over 60 poems – both narrative and lyrical, though I am trying to avoid the obfuscation that is present in some of the poems in the Art of Darkness section of my collection A Consecration of the Wind. Several of those poems wrote themselves in the middle of nights of sporadic sleep and anxiety in the early 80s, and many of them are the remnants of dreams.
6. What is your work ethic?
My work ethic has improved greatly since I first learned that my debut collection of poems would be published. Since that time, I have worked very diligently to produce poems that I believe will blend the lyrical and narrative types smoothly in my second collection.
7. How do the writers you read when you were young influence you today?
T.S. Eliot is my favorite poet, and I believe my style of writing blends the Modernist style with the Post-Modernist style of Plath and Bishop. Eliot’s works have become such an intrinsic part of my poetic consciousness that when any of my words or images remind me of his poems, I sift through his Complete Poems and Plays to make sure I have not unconsciously plagiarized him.
My poetry is usually not straight-forward or easily interpreted by most people. Though the Modernists purposefully wrote obscure poetry, my intent is not to confuse people, but it is to bury the core truth beneath layers of meaning. Although I liken sharing my poetry with the world to unzipping my skin and letting people see inside, I nevertheless keep my most private realities hidden.
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
For the most part, I enjoy reading and teaching the poetry of the early twentieth century. I have, however, more recently enjoyed the poetry of Olu Oguibe, a Nigerian artist/poet; Claudia Emerson, Pulitzer Prize Winner; Rich Follett, the poet laureate of Strasburg, VA; Billy Collins; and Dr. Carolyn Kreiter-Foronda, former poet laureate of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
The reason that I admire the aforementioned modern poets has to do first and foremost with their facility and manipulation of the English language. Individually, I enjoy and respect Collins’ juxtaposition of comedy and grief; Follett’s literary allusions; Oguibe’s passion and pain; Kriter-Foronda’s focus on art, and Emerson’s narrative style and vivid imagery.
9. Why do you write, as opposed to doing anything else?
I believe that I have a facility with language and that I have stories and metaphysical ideas to share with family, friends, and any poetry aficionados who are willing to invest some time and thought to understand poetry that is not simple or straightforward.
10. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
I would recommend that the aspiring writer attend a workshop or class and read as much literature as possible in the genre of choice. I do believe, though, that the person should have an innate ability to express in writing his/her truths, whether they be full truths or partially hidden truths.
11. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
I am presently working on my second manuscript, which I intend to submit to GenZ this fall. The title is Fragmented Roots, and, unlike my debut collection, this book contains over forty poems that I have written in recent years. I wrote the majority of the poems in my first book during the 70s and 80s. The title of my second book is taken from one of the poems in the new collection, just as A Consecration of the Wind is a phrase from one of my poems in that collection. Each time I read the Fragmented Roots manuscript, I am intrigued by threads of imagery that appear throughout older and more recent poems.
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12. Why did you decide to call it “Fragmented Roots”?
The phrase originates in my poem, “The Uncoupling.” The poem mentions “bleeding letters/And fragmented roots,” but I did not think that the word bleeding in the title would entice most readers to purchase the book. Although that poem reflects the frustration every writer feels when trying to create beautiful images and words, the concept of fragmented roots is a theme that permeates the book. The first section is titled “Demons and Divided Selves,” and the poems reflect a fragmentation of my psyche. In “Noble Fractions,” I write “Of irrational mind-splits that/Dissolve into an infinite/Sequence toward one self.” In the “Faces Past and Present” section, I vilify my father and grieve for my mother. My personality has its roots in my fragmented, dysfunctional family. In that same section, I explore relationships outside my immediate family, and, as the poems reveal, some of those relationships were also fragmented or broken. All of these relational roots and fragments form who I am today, and this theme is magnificently reflected in the book cover photo I took at Botany Bay, South Carolina.
13. Why do you quote from T.S.Eliot’s “Preludes” at the start of the book?
T. S. Eliot is my favorite poet, and his poems inspire me and influence my writing. In both of my books, lines from his poems form the epigraphs. This particular quote is from his poem, “Preludes,” which I continue to teach in my American Poetry seminar. “The notion of some infinitely gentle/Infinitely suffering thing” is one of my favorite Eliot quotes because it is beautiful and it reflects my firm belief that life is more sorrow than joy. Because of my fragmented roots (growing up in an emotionally and financially unstable home), I became that infinitely gentle/Infinitely suffering thing.” When considering the current pandemic, the political divide in the U.S., and global hostilities, I think the world as a whole is a fragile, “Infinitely suffering thing.”
14. In the first section, is there is growing unease in the poetry where outside objects appear increasingly threatening?
The first section, “Demons and Divided Selves” does reflect unease and darkness, but most of the threats come from dreams and my own thoughts. Although there are about 40 new poems in this book, this first section includes seven poems I wrote in the early 80s, a very dark period in my life when I was forlorn over my mother’s sudden death. I also was experiencing a great deal of anxiety because I was promoted to a supervisory position in the high school where I worked. I had vivid dreams that I recorded in the middle of the night, and I labeled three of those dream poems in this section. The phrase, “I am my own worst enemy” applies to my personality. Threats do not originate on the outside; they originate in my own thoughts. Any objects on the outside are merely metaphors for my own limitations, curiosity, fear, and sadness about life in general and, more specifically, frustration about living with chronic pain.
15. The marvelous poem “The Uncoupling,” if I may quote it in full, seems to me to be the crux of the book:
The Uncoupling
As I lie or lay recumbent
Having laid the word dying to rest,
I murmur apologies
To bleeding letters
And fragmented roots,
Having viewed the intimate
Coupling of words
Which I subsequently
Set asunder
With my pen.
As I mentioned in my response to your first query, I experience what every writer experiences: writer’s block, loss of confidence in my work, and continual worry about whether I have made the words sing and connect with the reader. This is one of my older poems, written in the late 70s when I thought I had found my voice, but I had not projected it beyond my spiral notebook. Beyond that simplistic explanation, there is a deeper meaning here. I was shaken by my parents “Coupling” that was “set asunder” when my father walked out on us in 1975, 17 months before my mother died suddenly of a massive heart attack. I wrote this poem when I was trying to uncouple myself from my darker side in order to stop obsessing about my mother’s death and death in general, thus the line “Having laid the word dying to rest.”
16. There are lots of images described as “curving, entwining, swirling” such as in
Thought in Flight
It smokes from the limbs,
Swirling around
The atmosphere of lungs
Into a space of high grasses
That bend before the idea
After reading this question, I did search my manuscript for words ending in “ing,” and I discovered that not only do three words in the epigraph from “Preludes” include the letters “ing,” but participles also appear frequently in the book. In this particular instance, I used the word swirling, an image I love. In my first book, the poem “Twilight” ends with the following lines:
Lint drifts from her
As light traces the pattern
In the air that swirls
Her in a raptureless cocoon.
I never read my poems aloud until I prepare for a poetry reading, but I do read them silently many times
before I am satisfied that they “sing.” In my mind, participles provide a softer landing for verbs and, more importantly, they signify movement, growth, and rebirth, as reflected in some of the words in the titles of my poems: “Becoming,” “Shifting,” “Unfolding,” “Blossoming,” “Fluttering,” “Fading,” “Awakening.”
17. Before the hope-filled ending, why you dwell on the failure of words?
I do think that sometimes creation, decreation, and destruction are intertwined. I read other poets whose styles I admire, and I think, “Why can’t I write like that?” The answer is that I have my own style, and, though it has changed slightly over the decades, I still write poems spontaneously, and the inspiration is merely a fragment of an idea. Afterwards, I question myself and wonder if I could have worded my poems differently, but I let the words flow first and then decide if they are worthy of publication or if I need to choose different words and phrases to better express my inner thoughts.
More to the point, however, there are two poems in the “Bleeding Letters and Fragmented Roots” section that describe the failure of words. I know that poets’ words do not have a significant impact in today’s world. “The Weight of Words” was influenced by my study of several historic literary periods: American Transcendentalism, British Romanticism, and the American Beat movement, all times when poetry was used as a tool in an attempt to transform individuals and influence or denigrate government. Romanticists like Wordsworth and Shelly were frustrated by the fact that their words failed to impact society in a meaningful way. In “Ode to the West Wind,” Shelly invokes the wind to: “Scatter, as from an unextinguish’d hearth/Ashes and sparks, my words among mankind!”
The other poem in this section, “Words Fail” is very personal and has to do with my siblings, both of whom have made disastrous decisions throughout their lives. My words failed to have the influence I had hoped they would, and, thus, my sister continues to stay in an emotionally abusive marriage. My brother lived a dysfunctional life, rife with depression, sorrow, and solitude for decades until he decided he was tired of living like that. I am not sure if my words helped him to choose light rather than darkness, but I am glad he is in a good place now.
I am aware of the stark contrast between the expression of the failure of words/poetry and the elation I felt at my May 16, 2019, New Jersey book launch party, as conveyed in the last poem in this section. That moment in time was very special and very rare. Once my feet landed on solid ground, though, my cynicism and insecurities kicked in again and I wrote about the failure of words and poetry. The last three poems in that section are not presented in the order in which I wrote them because I wanted to conclude on a high note.
18. What would you like your readers to carry away with them?
I hope that my readers will be able to relate to the thoughts, emotions, and struggles that are reflected in my poems. I would like them to make a connection between their personal relationships (both successful and failed) and mine. Lastly, it is my hope that readers will sense that threads of emotional and physical pain and fragmented roots are woven throughout the book. I do believe that a collection of poetry should be read through in its entirety first, so that the reader may perceive a progression of the central themes, images, and emotions. Afterwards, readers may go back to a certain poem or entire section that particularly resonates with them.
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews: Angelo Verga
Wombwell Rainbow Interviews
I am honoured and privileged that the following writers local, national and international have agreed to be interviewed by me. I gave the writers two options: an emailed list of questions or a more fluid interview via messenger.
The usual ground is covered about motivation, daily routines and work ethic, but some surprises too. Some of these poets you may know, others may be new to you. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do.

Angelo Verga
has appeared in over 100 poetry publications; widely anthologized and translated. His seventh book is Long & Short, including The Street in Your Head (2016). He was an owner of The Cornelia Street Café, where his programs (1997-2015) made a home for poets & audiences alike.
The Interview
1. What inspired you to write poetry?
Desire to made things, change things, learn things. I’d much rather have been a baseball player or a stage actor.
2. Who introduced you to poetry?
I found it while trying to read everything. I’m self-taught. I had the good luck of not reading contemporary writers till I was nearly fully formed.
3. How aware were you of the dominating presence of older poets?
Of course, they are my best friends and most bitter rivals. I love Catullus and hate him. Also Chaucer, Milton, Lorca, Dante, Sappho, Emily Dickinson, Walt Whitman, Pound, Melville, Blake, Baldwin, Ernesto Cardinal, others.
4. What is your daily writing routine?
Write as early in the day as possible, walk, eat, rest, then edit before sleep, even better edit while sleeping. Try to talk to very few people, too many voices make for confusion, hesitation.
5. What motivates you to write?
I write the poems I need. And believe there’s a chance someone else will need.
6. What is your work ethic?
I spent most of my work life as a blue-collar worker, my family is working class. I bring that to writing. Put in the time and occasionally there are results.
7. How do the writers you read when you were young influence you today?
They challenge me to get better technically. I consider poetry a craft. First there’s a calling but what matters ultimately is doing the work. I want to be as memorable and as useful as my poetry heroes.
8. Who of today’s writers do you admire the most and why?
Lawrence Joseph, Veronica Golos, Suzanne Frishkorn, Dennis Nurske.
These are poets whom I know personally, and whose work is meticulously crafted;
poets who strive to change how one can see the world.
They have also avoided imitating their own earlier work,
a pitfall that swallows many writers after they have had initial success.
9. Why do you write, as opposed to doing anything else?
Can’t do anything else nearly as well.
10. What would you say to someone who asked you “How do you become a writer?”
Read. Apprentice yourself to someone (preferably someone dead) and learn how poems are made.
11. Tell me about the writing projects you have on at the moment.
A dream book. Right now it’s 25 poems. No idea where it wants to go as of yet. Might grow smaller or bigger. If you knew in advance where a poems or book was going, what would be the point of writing it? Or reading it?